Cash For Clunkers

[GeeTeeOh]

Originally Posted by Tall Guy

This whole program is a cluster F**k. We've got about 10 'clunkers' and only 3 are actual junk. We got a Mercury Mountaineer with a 5.0 and a late 80's f250 that are in real good shape still but only one clunker is a foreign car. IMO a lot of these cars would be better off donated to someone who needs a car like but can't afford it like a disabled vet or someone along those lines. We were told that we can't rob parts of these things or we'll be canned if caught doing so. It's a killer for a car guy to watch a good car being detroyed on purpose- Ford, GM or Chrysler.

That is the down side of this program. There are some really neat vehicles that are going to go the way of the F-14 and be lost to potential collecters in the future. Even if the vehicle itself isn't worth saving, the engine, tranny and other parts would be worth keeping.

Regards..

[deanslist.us]

I know this is slightly off-topic, but: if the government can't manage cash for clunkers, imagine what government-run health care will be like...or anything government run for that matter...

[Nick]

more off topic: My government run healthcare is excellent. I had arthroscropic ankle surgery 5 months ago, and my recovery has been superb.

[S/ST 7393]

Originally Posted by Nick

more off topic: My government run healthcare is excellent. I had arthroscropic ankle surgery 5 months ago, and my recovery has been superb.

Wait till you turn 65 & see how good your government run healthcare is & how much worst it will be if Obama get his way.

[juanito5.0]

I bet you anything that if we did donate those vehicles to vets or low income families that they could not afford the gas, insurance or keeping up with repairs. My buddy has a nice early 90's lifted F150 that runs and looks good but its just sits at his house cause the gas mileage on that thing sucks. I dont think we should crush them maybe sell them at an auction dirt cheap 2 the junkyards and the public so the parts can be recycled. We'll call it a bailout 4 the junkyards. As for goverment run health care we need it. I have health insurance and its expensive. I avoid going to clincs or hospitals cause i dont want another bill. I"m sure its the case for everyone. We're just getting sicker by not going. Same goes for my dental i know i need some cavities filled but it'll get worse then have to do a root canal. Think of it like the school system everyone can use it, but if you want something better then u got to pay like private schools.

[deanslist.us]

Originally Posted by Nick

more off topic: My government run healthcare is excellent. I had arthroscropic ankle surgery 5 months ago, and my recovery has been superb.

You got lucky, another guy's government healthcare scheduled him for gall bladder removal and he lost both his legs.

Hear about the cancer patients in Oregon on government healthcare? They do not provide care for life-extending, only cancer healing...instead they referred them to doctor-assisted suicide clinics. Two cancer patients fought it, both won the case to get treatment for extending life but it was too late for one, as he died.

But I don't want to get caught talking bad about it, since Obama is now asking that citizens report others for talking bad about Obamacare.

sitting back and saying "it works for me" isn't very Obama of you because we are all supposed to receive equal care...but I guess the reality is some are more equal than others.

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Originally Posted by juanito5.0

As for goverment run health care we need it. I have health insurance and its expensive. I avoid going to clincs or hospitals cause i dont want another bill. I"m sure its the case for everyone. We're just getting sicker by not going. Same goes for my dental i know i need some cavities filled but it'll get worse then have to do a root canal. Think of it like the school system everyone can use it, but if you want something better then u got to pay like private schools.

Imagine if healthcare was more like auto insurance, and they had to actually compete because the government wasn't involved. If the government wasn't there, insurance companies would have to compete for business, forcing them to lower prices and run commercial ads to gain your business.

Now, Imagine if Auto Insurance was like healthcare, and if you couldn't afford it, it was just given to you by the government. thos ethat couldn't afford it would get it free, so those that could afford it would pay out the nose for it.

What do you think about that price comparison when it comes to the cost, and figure out what the problem really is with health care.

And think about how well the government has not run cash for clunkers...such a simple program...how would they do with something as complex as healthcare? Cash for clunkers was a failed idea from the start!

Communism/socialism has never produced a good car...because the government was involved, just like ours has become involved with GM.

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[Frank]

Originally Posted by deanslist.us

I know this is slightly off-topic, but: if the government can't manage cash for clunkers, imagine what government-run health care will be like...or anything government run for that matter...

keep it on topic

[00gtCoolGuy]

that post by dustball says it all.

[ILTTG]

Originally Posted by deanslist.us

But I don't want to get caught talking bad about it, since Obama is now asking that citizens report others for talking bad about Obamacare.

What they're trying to do is keep up with all the misinformation being spouted by the highly suggestible types who believe everything they read in chain emails and other apocryphal sources. E.g., you. They don't want to lose the information battle. Good for them. Health reform is too important to let it falter because of irresponsible scare tactics (GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE WILL HAVE YOUR GRANDPARENTS EUTHANIZED , ZOMGAAAA). Oh, and by the way, doctor incompetence is doctor incompetence. I don't think a doctor looks at your insurance information before he decides to hack off the wrong limb.

Insurance companies already compete, but the lack of regulation makes it easy for them to do things like deny coverage because of "pre-existing conditions." You're fooling yourself if you don't think we have rationed care now. The difference is right now it's rationed by the insurance companies, which exist to make a profit. Try going to a doctor out of your "network" and see how much you like them paying a fraction of what they normally would.

I sprained my knee the other day, and despite the fact that I have a pretty good health plan and that my company and I have paid thousands in premiums over the last year, if I decide to get the MRI the doctor suggested, I'm out $500, because I haven't met my plan's deductible - I've only been to the doctor twice in five years. So where the hell did all that money go? Towards the CEO's multi-million dollar salary, to shareholders, to bureaucrats who get bonuses to deny people coverage. At least if I'd paid that money in higher taxes due to a government plan, it would go towards paying for, of all things, health care. What a crazy prospect, that money for health care actually go towards health care.

And wow, you're so misinformed about the CARS program and the government's intervention with GM that arguing about them with you is pointless. You're seriously comparing an infusion of capital in a company, with no direct intervention except for the removal of an incompetent CEO (which GM could have refused to do) with completely government run communist motor works? Come on, you really should be embarrassed. Even in a pointless internet argument, that kind of reasoning is pitiful.

Calling CARS a failure is absurd, considering it did what it was supposed to, which was stimulate auto sales and increase the national fleet's fuel efficiency. It was too successful, in fact, which was why the website managing the rebates went down. Try receiving as much traffic in a week as you were expecting in a few months on any website and see what happens. Now, disagreeing with the premise of the program is something else. Sure, it's painful to see some of those cars be destroyed, but nobody forced all those people to take in their cars.

[Deviousfred]

Wonder what will happen when all these people who went for the Cash for Clunkers program are unable to make their car payment in the near future.